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    Alternate idea for poker satellites

    Post by picard on Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:37 pm

    I don't know whether this has been mentioned before - but here I go.

    The host could host it online using some software like the following:

    1. DDPoker http://www.ddpoker.com/ - free, but a bunch of constraints like only tourneys allowed, no real connection protections etc. I don't know whether it is stable over the internet too.

    2. Poker Mavens - http://www.briggsoft.com/pmavens.htm.

    This is the BEST software hands down for hosting. Host has to buy it for like $40, but it has ALL possible features that are present in big sites like stars / pp etc. It even can track user bank roll etc. So in future if we all decide to trust jim and deposit money with him:), he can allot us bankrolls in this software. Using that we can play against each other anytime on any game format. It even offers non-NLHE games like stud etc. I used to play for Eve-online game currency on the eve-online poker site all the time.

    These might be the only viable options!
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    Re: Alternate idea for poker satellites

    Post by pranav on Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:40 pm

    yea.. but online poker is just not the same!
    there is no fun involved.. u cant see the player.. u cant get a read from them..
    call me old fashioned but nothing better than face to face NL texas hold em
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    Re: Alternate idea for poker satellites

    Post by Ami Amrit on Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:03 pm

    i agree with pranav. playing online has a limited interest which will fade away sometime. playing live is altogether a different experience. u meet other people and understand the game better. see alot of different games and playing styles.
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    Re: Alternate idea for poker satellites

    Post by picard on Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:24 pm

    online poker is a multibillion dollar business - I don't think it will go away this easily:)

    I for one would be happy if there was an online casino based out of goa - which will ensure I don't have to spend 10k on flight +15k on stay everytime I want to play poker - the games there can't really support that kind of a living.
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    Re: Alternate idea for poker satellites

    Post by pranav on Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:31 pm

    i would rather just play my local cash game than spend that much on tickets and hotel etc..
    its comfortable and fun and thats more important to me.. i dont wanna be a professional poker player!
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    Re: Alternate idea for poker satellites

    Post by Kunal on Sat Jul 25, 2009 2:49 pm

    local cash games are great.. but it'll limit ur growth as a poker player.. when u play against diff palyers under diff conditions, there is so much to learn from the game.

    I've played in goa a few times and earlier at barcelona and amsterdam, its been a diff experience always and i came back with new strategies always.

    I am heading to macau in aug, pls give suggestions on where to go!

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    Re: Alternate idea for poker satellites

    Post by IndianpokerAce on Sat Jul 25, 2009 10:35 pm

    Hi Kunal ...are they any poker games in Goa ? I was planning a trip but not sure how good these are or how frequent . Also on Macau before...I have heard the games are soft but the casinos are no where as full as Vegas but its anyday better then goa I would assume
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    Re: Alternate idea for poker satellites

    Post by pranav on Sat Jul 25, 2009 11:21 pm

    Macau is not too hot on poker as yet. As far as my knowledge goes there are a couple of poker rooms on the Kotai Strip (one is in the Venetian i think).
    I've been to Vegas and there can't be anything compared to the poker rooms there. Every single hotel has huge poker rooms which have games ranging from 40$ buy ins to 1000$ buy ins to even more.
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    Re: Alternate idea for poker satellites

    Post by Kunal on Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:38 pm

    IndianpokerAce wrote:Hi Kunal ...are they any poker games in Goa ? I was planning a trip but not sure how good these are or how frequent . Also on Macau before...I have heard the games are soft but the casinos are no where as full as Vegas but its anyday better then goa I would assume

    Yea.. u can play poker at casino royale almost everyday.. they just have 2 tables there but 1 is mostly full and it dsnt take too long to get a seat.. the buy-in is 10k.. the game is pretty decent..
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    Re: Alternate idea for poker satellites

    Post by Raj on Mon Jul 27, 2009 3:23 am

    Why dont we setup a private tournament on one of the online sites - basically amounting to conducting online satellite. Maybe admin can set one up with the password? Problem with sites like ddpoker etc is that I dont know if their RNG is completely trustable. A lot of research and work goes on among major online poker sites to ensure the randomness of RNG. ddpoker sure is not using stuff like capturing thermal entropy and capturing distributed info to form true shuffle.
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    Re: Alternate idea for poker satellites

    Post by Raj on Mon Jul 27, 2009 3:25 am

    IndianpokerAce wrote:Hi Kunal ...are they any poker games in Goa ? I was planning a trip but not sure how good these are or how frequent . Also on Macau before...I have heard the games are soft but the casinos are no where as full as Vegas but its anyday better then goa I would assume

    Macau has Pokerstars only B&M poker room at Grand Lisboa. Be sure to check it out. Pokerstars also offers special hotel pricing at Grand Lisboa if you plan on staying/playing.
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    Re: Alternate idea for poker satellites

    Post by picard on Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:46 am

    Kunal wrote:
    IndianpokerAce wrote:Hi Kunal ...are they any poker games in Goa ? I was planning a trip but not sure how good these are or how frequent . Also on Macau before...I have heard the games are soft but the casinos are no where as full as Vegas but its anyday better then goa I would assume

    Yea.. u can play poker at casino royale almost everyday.. they just have 2 tables there but 1 is mostly full and it dsnt take too long to get a seat.. the buy-in is 10k.. the game is pretty decent..

    Is this a cash game? What are the blinds? And what are the casino entry charges?
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    Re: Alternate idea for poker satellites

    Post by Kunal on Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:51 pm

    yea these are cash games.. the blinds are 100/200.. the casino entry is 1500 i guess.. but u'll get complimentary entry if ur a regular..
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    Re: Alternate idea for poker satellites

    Post by Raj on Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:53 pm

    Kunal wrote:yea these are cash games.. the blinds are 100/200.. the casino entry is 1500 i guess.. but u'll get complimentary entry if ur a regular..

    Is the max buyin limited to 10K? Seems like a short stacked game @ 50xBB. I like 100xBB at least..
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    Re: Alternate idea for poker satellites

    Post by Kunal on Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:59 pm

    10k is the min buy-in.. its NLHE
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    Post by Raj on Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:50 pm

    Kunal wrote:10k is the min buy-in.. its NLHE

    So no max buyin?? NLHE just means no limit to bet amount - you could still have (most casinos do) some buyin limits.. If it allows open ended buyin - that could be a real interesting game!!
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    Re: Alternate idea for poker satellites

    Post by picard on Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:50 pm

    And these happen everyday? unbelievable. Probably time for a goa trip:)
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    Re: Alternate idea for poker satellites

    Post by Ami Amrit on Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:54 pm

    i will see u all there and those in Delhi can plan together to go.
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    Re: Alternate idea for poker satellites

    Post by Kunal on Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:39 pm

    Raj wrote:
    Kunal wrote:10k is the min buy-in.. its NLHE

    So no max buyin?? NLHE just means no limit to bet amount - you could still have (most casinos do) some buyin limits.. If it allows open ended buyin - that could be a real interesting game!!

    dont think there's a max limit.. i saw guys comin wid 200,000 in chips on d table..
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    Post by Ami Amrit on Wed Jul 29, 2009 3:36 pm

    yes u r right, anyone can take chips upto any amount.
    point is does rest of the players do the same?
    if i am playing on the table with 5000 and the other person goes in for 50000 then what, my stakes would remain 5000 only at that time for all in.
    however i do not think that it would really make a difference.
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    Re: Alternate idea for poker satellites

    Post by pranav on Wed Jul 29, 2009 3:40 pm

    yes. your stake remains at 5000 only. if someone goes all in with 50,000 and you have only 5,000 left, then the other person can take back 45,000 as you can't match that, and the pot will be worth Rs. 10,000, ie. ur 5000 and ur opponents 5000.
    Players are not allowed to buy in in the middle of a hand.
    the stack behind a player makes a big difference in betting. Someone with a huge stack can just muscle his way into a win without really needing to have good cards.
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    Re: Alternate idea for poker satellites

    Post by Ami Amrit on Wed Jul 29, 2009 3:45 pm

    i partially agree with you.
    imagine - i am a player of a very small stake, no matter one takes back 45000 but i am winning 5000
    moreover, my risk in every game would be max 5000 which is my budget you can say. but the other player would not enjoy it.
    i can say considering the situation for me vica-versa
    on the other hand u r right - if every time the other guy raise to 5000 then everytime i have to go all in
    however it will only depend on the standard of the blinds.
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    Post by pranav on Wed Jul 29, 2009 3:50 pm

    Imagine you have pocket aces and you flop a full house. and u can only bet 5000 on that. thats when its going to really hurt. though i do agree your liability is limited, your upside is limited as well. when you get the right cards you can't really get as much value from them cos of ur low stack. Speaking from personal experience! was playing last week and i flopped a full house with pocket aces. I didnt have much of a stack and went all in and got called by two people. so i trippled up but if i had more i could have won much more cos the other ones were sitting with pocket J's and Pocket 10's!
    so its really a good thing and a bad thing from if you look at it from both angles.
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    Re: Alternate idea for poker satellites

    Post by Raj on Wed Jul 29, 2009 3:53 pm

    Ami Amrit wrote:i partially agree with you.
    imagine - i am a player of a very small stake, no matter one takes back 45000 but i am winning 5000
    moreover, my risk in every game would be max 5000 which is my budget you can say. but the other player would not enjoy it.
    i can say considering the situation for me vica-versa
    on the other hand u r right - if every time the other guy raise to 5000 then everytime i have to go all in
    however it will only depend on the standard of the blinds.

    There are different strategies to playing short stack play and huge stack play.. I am sure you can find all related articles in books / web sites.. In general, if they allow any amount buyin - then no limit game can be very interesting.. Say I can always buyin to match my stack to the biggest stack on the table multiple times - all I have to do is win one all in from him.. Gives a huge advantage to someone who can bring more money on table.
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    Post by Ami Amrit on Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:29 pm

    yeah Pranav, u r right but i have been through a different situation
    pocket aces with full house of kings were beaten by quads of kings.
    i was lucky not to have a huge stack at that point of time.

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